So How Much And Why Do YOU Love Alistair?
Jun 7
Help men everywhere understand the female obsession with Dragon Age's Alistair
So I have to know: What is it with Alistair and the enormous outpouring of love, lust, slash, and general goo-goo eyes from the females (and some males, as well) of the world? I pose this question because I just don’t understand it — is it the pretty boy good looks? Is it the quasi-tortured and sad whiny-boy who can kick ass but “just needs a good woman to love him” thing? Is it… that he’s a virgin? Will have a threesome? What? What is it that causes girls and women alike to melt over this fictional man and express their undying love and… other things to the world at large?
Now, I consider myself an enlightened man. I understand sensitivity and attentiveness. I understand and support independence and equality and intend to promote it fully in my daughter. I also hold to some outdated values of chivalry and the like, and balance them fairly well with the ideals and needs of women in the modern age of independence. But, as my wife is all too happy to point out, I am also, in many ways, a contentedly (or perhaps it was hopelessly?) typical male. I understand and accept this, just as I understand and accept that there is no point in arguing with her about it, or answering any woman’s skill testing question about fatness and jeans. I am also perfectly aware that there are many (many) males out there who moon over Morrigan — but, let’s face it, this sort of mooning is done for entirely different, very transparent, and obviously imaginative reasons.
The relentless pursuit of Alistair is a curiosity that confounds me at the best of times. He’s an entertaining character, somewhat funny and quick-witted, and though a boy scout, it’s not to the point of utter squeaky-clean boring-ness. I tend to lean toward thinking that it is his vulnerability that women find attractive, or that he is simply the best option for romancing by a female PC. That last doesn’t hold much weight though, because it would not give rise the copious amount of slash and other fanfic out there, or the fansites, the Facebook groups (the Alistair Fan Club on Facebook has grown from the 1452 members we reported in February, to a whopping 2919!), and other social groups such as our own Eleusimae’s We <3 Alistair group on the BioWare Social Network.
So, help me out here, ladies. What is it, exactly, that does it for you when it comes to this Alistair guy? Should other men be trying to distill it into a special sauce to attract and hold your attentions? Is Alistair the modern day Fabio? Will you crucify me for that last comment?? I, and the men of the world at large, need to know!
And let’s keep it nice in the comments, folks… be opinionated and honest, but keep the flaming to less than a match, yes? Alistair fans can be fierce and will eat any haters alive and then possibly come for their children and next of kin – tread lightly.
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102 comments
Comment by @Miliat on June 8, 2010 at 1:59 pm
You've asked a loaded question, and this should get you a number of varied responses. I'll try to give you a coherent reasoning, but when it comes to Alistair, well sometimes reasoning isn't involved.
The first thing about Alistair people fall in love with, in my opinion, is his voice. The accent combined with the expressiveness of his voice is enough to make me melt. Steve Valentine has done an excellent job of bringing the character to life, and beyond. As evidence by some of my friends on Twitter last night, its enough to hear Steve Valentine talking on a TV show to get them all riled up and Alistair gushing.
A voice alone cannot be the full reason for all the fanart, fanfiction, and general gushing that takes place over Alistair. I'll be honest, when I first saw Alistair in game I said "What's up with the frat boy hair?" I wasn't a fan of his hair, though design was he was very pleasing to the eye.
Voice and looks are all superficial though, so here's where I attempt to get a little deeper into why. Alistair is witty, charming, loyal, innocent, and needy.
Some would argue that he isn't loyal because of what happens post Landsmeet. I would argue that if you make him King, you should expect him to be loyal to the people he is charged with ruling. He is, if anything, a creature of duty.
Also why would I classify needy as an attractive feature? I suppose needy isn't the best term. Alistair is vulnerable, he's sensitive, and while I won't speak for other women, it sparks a need in me to take care of him. He's the guy who has had a bum life, who still ends up sweet, instead of a jerk.
His innocence, combined with his chivalrous attitude, make for an extremely attractive combo as well. How many guys would turn down an invite to "tent time" from a woman they were beginning to care about? He actually makes attempts at courting, and makes the character feel special. The fact that he hasn't done the deed before he gets with your character also has its appeal. It's just another thing to make your character feel special. Basically, Alistair is the classic knight in shining armor, with a touch of wit and humor thrown in.
I don't think guys should start acting like Alistair to get the ladies, as their is only one Alistair, and he exists to love the thousands of us who write, draw, and ogle him daily.
Comment by calico on June 8, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Alistair was my favorite character aside from the fuckable aspect, from my very first PC that I played which was a male dwarven commoner. It's refreshing and relatable to see an action-adventure character who is insecure in a believable way.
I joined swooping_is_bad shortly after the game came out when there was 'only' around 150 members and I would have thought that the popularity of the other romancible characters would be much more even. I suppose that he sort of comes by default for a female PC doesn't hurt. After all, if you're making half an effort to make the 'good' choices Alistair probably already has a crush on you by the time you meet Zevran and I suppose most hetero females weren't interested in Leliana.
Comment by Freckles on June 8, 2010 at 12:14 pm
Personally, what I find the most interesting (and attractive) about Alistair is his complexity. Like all of the characters in Dragon Age, there are a multitude of layers to him that makes him seem like a real person. Add in a sweet romance (which I'm a sucker for), nicely put-together pixels, and Steve Valentine's voice, and many women can't resist him!
It really is the depth of his character that has kept me engaged in the game, however, even six months later. At first glance, he may seem "whiny" (the number one complaint voiced by my husband), but just like a person in real life, first impressions are not always accurate. If you spend the time to discover more about him, you'll uncover a rich history and realistic personality with many different facets. He's not just the innocent young man falling in love for the first time: he's a fierce warrior, a devoted friend, a lost soul, a fiery opponent, a witty joker, and more.
In essence, what captivates me about Alistair is that I get the sense that he's *almost* real enough to step out of the game, and that is truly a master piece of work on BioWare's part.
Comment by StarseekR on June 8, 2010 at 2:27 pm
In the Facebook fangroup you mention, we have a discussion going on just that topic – what is it with Alistair that sweep us all off our feet? And how come other romantic interests in other games (or in DA:O even) doesn't hit us in quite the same way?
To sum up the arguments in there so far (it's a fairly new discussion thread), it seems BioWare have hit JUST right on a lot of factors with Alistair. Take the timing: He is sassy and funny right from the start, which makes you notice him (unlike for instance Kaidan in ME1, who's sort of anonymous from the start). And then they sneak the romance options up on you, small things first to make you want to explore your conversation options with him further, and then he just say and do the sweetest and funniest things at just the right times.
And then there is the story: He is there to protect us – and he is very clear on this, yet in so many ways he needs us to protect him as well. How can a girl not like that? To be protected and needed at the same time. (I find this feeling hard to explain, am I making any sense?) For me it was the package of sassy, funny, cute, strong, romantic, heroic, tough and vulnerable, handsome and that helplessness that some guys show when they are in love and know what they want – but don't know quite what they can do to show it in "the right way".
There is a combination of strenght and vulnerability with fair doses of humor that just work :) Not so sure it is possible to cook it all down to a sauce though ;)
Comment by Willowstead on June 8, 2010 at 12:54 pm
There is a list of reasons this little fictional creation got me all a flutter, so much so that when he broke my first Cousland's heart, I restarted with a new one. Yup, that's when it was all over for this little fangirl.
Anyway, I think the short answer may be this: Alistair is a puppy. He is cute, goofy, totally snuggle-able and you can mold him into greater things. I mean, play it right and you could be queen, which, quite frankly, feeds into every girl's Prince Charming fantasy (admit it, you have one). Let's add obedient and and loyal to the list, which is often desired in a mate. His innocence lends to the idea that you will not be just another notch on his bedpost (or lamppost). You are special, no matter what else happens.
As for the whining, well, everyone has to have their flaws and this one makes sense (I mean, puppies whine). The kid's had a tough life and it fits with the innocence factor. While it could be a turn off, there's also something that calls to our inner moms. Alistair could really use someone to care for him, and look who's here to do it. In return you get a partner in bed and battle.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have some fanfic to write. ;)
Comment by Dahlia on June 8, 2010 at 1:14 pm
Part 1:
Well, since you happen to have posted my PC liking the fact that his hand is touching *her* leg, I feel compelled to answer :) First off, I couldn't agree with Freckles more.
For one, there is the setting. The player experiences an alternate life, and the goal is to save the world from the Blight. Now you are given team members who join you on your quest, and relationships develop, precision crafted by Bioware. They almost leave the fem PC no choice but to romance Alistair. Gifts and dialogue options make it hard to resist the temptation stemmed from curiosity…. and we are unknowingly sucked in. The key here is -unknowingly-. That is exactly what real life is all about. It is far too common to meet your future love in an annoying package, where we think "no way I would like him" only to realize after a time how much you feel for this man. Continued:
Comment by Dahlia on June 8, 2010 at 1:15 pm
So what do we get? A man with good values, a charming innocence, humorous wit,
(he knows it which shows a hint of an attractive showoffiness), humility, sensitivity, emotional openly insecure coupled with a strong warrior, a man who is not afraid to speak is mind, and especially, a backbone to offset his whiny demeanor (if he didn't he would have been simply a wuss). With all of his weaknesses, he still wouldn't stand for mockery, which is probably the one major difference when compared with a real life person with similar traits. He is not a weakling as he depicts himself to be which makes him all the more attractive. He has an inner strength that is humbled by insecurity. And–he is not afraid to speak his mind which is another facet which somewhat conflicts with the "weak" nature.
These opposing traits are what make him so attractive.
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Comment by Dahlia on June 8, 2010 at 3:16 pm
As the female, our nature is to want to bring out that strength and sooth his wounds, but in order for us to want to do that, all of these elements must exist harmoniously. If you take away the weak/strong balance, I assure you the fem reaction would have not been the same.
That said, as Freckles puts it, Steve Valentine's natural charm along with careful writing and scenario builds for success at having no choice but to adore this man.
What keeps the adoration alive is the realistic aspect that your reactions change the outcome of the future, as in real life. With this game, you may turn back time and explore the incredible depth the characters have with each choice you make.
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Comment by Dahlia on June 8, 2010 at 3:18 pm
In essence it is a true fantasy deeper than the male Morrigan fascination as I would assume is based shallowly on her sexiness, as I humbly believe men fall for that, but don't need much more. Females tend to look for more depth, as it is the personality that fuels our love overall. Bioware gave us a real bonus with their pretty pixels, overall giving us a fantasy man who satisfies all our desires in one package.
And lastly, the communities that have developed through the Alistair fascination keep us wanting to talk more and more about our shared adoration, therefore keeping him alive and well long after the game has ended.
Comment by PolevaAzhreia on June 8, 2010 at 1:51 pm
I agree with everyone! Puppy goofiness coupled with sweet humor and achingly vulnerable confessions of lust and love….it's hard to imagine romancing anyone else! It took me until my 6th playthrough to finally resist Alistair's charms and romance Zevran instead.
You know how I did it? By literally not speaking to Alistair. It was the only way. Talking to him oh-so-subtly pulls you in, moving from innocent flirting that you barely know you're doing…to out-and-out love where you're dragging him back to your tent every 2 minutes.
Puppies aren't usually known for being sneaky…but this one has it down pat ;)
Comment by will the geek on June 8, 2010 at 2:25 pm
meh alistair is alright but morrigan is definitely the best (yes i am a bisexual)
Comment by will the geek on June 8, 2010 at 2:27 pm
i was however very sad halfway through the game when alistair was angry at me for killing conner
Comment by Louvette on June 8, 2010 at 2:32 pm
Why do I like Alistair? Because he's funny, goofy and romantic – the same qualities I find irresistibly sexy in a man.
And no I'm not obsessed :-P So what if I attempted to make a realistic 3D sculpt of him and still continue to make tweaks on it months after I've started? Doesn't count. Nuh-uh ^_^
Comment by Naytopia on June 8, 2010 at 2:33 pm
I think that a huge part of Alistair’s appeal is that he likes you right from the beginning, and he *really* wants you to like him back. He’s a little awkward and naïve, and that’s sweet, but he’s also flirty and just a little bit naughty. Alistair is devoted, but he does speak up when he disagrees with your methods. The fact that he’s suffering and can’t help but show it gives him depth. You just want to hold him and make it all better and/or go slaughter everyone who had anything to do with making him hurt—and Alistair’s down for either, he’s right there with you, all the way. The humor and earnestness of the character give him substance that’s hard to find elsewhere (at least in a game). Best of all, he has very little opportunity to break the illusion. Also, speaking as an American woman, he’s got a sexy accent that makes me all giggly, and that never hurts (thank you, Steve Valentine).
Comment by Jennifer on June 8, 2010 at 4:45 pm
see, i guess alistair was okay, but he never really did it for me. I got to know every character really well in this game, and i would have to say i like zevran a lot better. he isnt needy like alistair is, hes a strong guy, but under all that, hes just as sweet as alistair seems. and sure, the being a virgin thing is a little attractive, but he just came off as WHINY to me. no offense to anyone, but alistair just wasnt for me.
Comment by Poe-it on June 8, 2010 at 4:15 pm
For me I am a Zevran fan.
I think the attraction to Alistair is that he is sweet in the personal conversations. Most women crave that. sweet innocent reaction. If he was real I think i would have killed him just for being whinny. But I think i can see the appeal a large strapping man with boyish good looks the kind of man you can bring home to Mom. *Shudders* I got over that years ago.
Comment by Dork of night on June 8, 2010 at 7:38 pm
As someone who has an Alistair fan page in Facebook (Lovers of Alistair), I have to say that for me, the important quality is that he loves the PC. With Zevran, there's a chance that he loves you now but who knows what the future holds? Alistair loves totally & with his whole heart. That's a rare quality. He's a committed male – both in his dedication to duty and to his heart's desire (hopefully my character). It's that quality of commitment that makes him so special. Even when he dumps you (if you're not a human noble) it's because of his commitment to do what's right. Classically, the upstanding man of honor.
Comment by guest on June 8, 2010 at 6:03 pm
Alistair sucks. A subpar rip-off of Joss Whedon, who already is a bastion of hack writing.
Comment by @MrMojoRisin721 on June 8, 2010 at 9:46 pm
Alistair doesn't understand how to deal with his emotions as a man. A glass of whiskey and a heavy dose of denial.
Comment by Halowyn on June 8, 2010 at 9:54 pm
Well for my part my <3 of Alistair is just that he's the whole package really. He's funny, sensitive yet a warrior, HOT, doesn't act like being HOT makes it OK to be a jerk, HOT and cute (this combo is rare), modest, awkward, naive (in an endearing way), and taps in to probably many peoples (including my own) little girl fantasy of knight/prince – knight+prince in shinning armor who wants to save the world justly. And his journey is touching. So – yeah there's a fan girls perspective.
Comment by Darkrose on June 9, 2010 at 12:02 am
I initially fell in love with Alistair because he was essentially Anomen from Baldur's Gate 2, done right. Anomen was Bioware's first attempt at a female-oriented romance, and they didn't get it at first. Anomen's a knight in shining armor, but he's also arrogant and obnoxious for much of the game; the reason I started writing fanfiction was to explain why my female Bhaalspawn would put up with Anomen long enough to get into a romance with him.
Alistair has the knight thing going on, but he's got a sense of humor. (And to those who complain about him being whiny, all I can say is, you never met Anomen.) Like everyone else in the game, he's got layers; beneath the bad jokes and dorkiness is a core of strength, a fierce protectiveness and loyalty, and a sharper mind that anyone gives him credit for, including himself.
He's a big, heavily armed mabari puppy who imprints on the PC–male or female–almost immediately. If you're a guy, you're the first friend he's ever had. If you a girl, you're the first woman his own age he's been around on a regular basis, and you go up on that pedestal real quick and unless you recruit Loghain, you stay on it. (Yes, even if you're not a human noble and don't harden him; he breaks up with you, but it's clearly not what he wants to do.) He doesn't have a problem appearing vulnerable or showing his feelings, which is very attractive to many women (self very much included), and most of his jokes are at his own expense. He's not a complete pushover by any means, but as Leliana notes, he takes direction well.
As king, Alistair also has a lot to recommend him. He may not be as strong of a ruler as Anora, at least initially, but he has a compassion that she doesn't. The different fates of the alienage elves in the Epilogue points this up: Anora is willing to give them a little more freedom, but she clamps down as soon as there's a hint of trouble–and let's not forget that she displays a remarkable cluelessness when she can't figure out why the elves in the alienage might possibly be unhappy. Alistair, on the other hand, puts the alienage elder on his council, ignoring the protests from the human nobles, regardless of the Warden's origin. It's a no-brainer for me to have my Tabris Warden harden Alistair, become his mistress, and choose to serve as his Chancellor: she'll be the power behind the throne for a king who's a capable ruler, but will always listen to her.
Comment by Patricia on June 8, 2010 at 10:51 pm
Alistair is charming,funny, sensitive, and moderately bright. His innocent awkwardness just adds to his charm. However, I think the most compelling aspect of Alistair is that what you see is what you get. There is no hidden agenda or unexpressed expectations. He also pretty much accepts the pc for who they are regardless of who or what that is. Although he doesn't want to lead, he will not endorse any decision he feels conflicts with his own sense of morality or duty. You just have to listen to what he says as he will not push his point of view onto you. I would call him a true gentle soul. This is a nice change from most of the men you encounter in our modern world.
Comment by Edrissa on June 8, 2010 at 10:54 pm
Men always say women go after the bad boy; I think Alistair is a perfect example of the fact we don't.
So what is he? He's sweet and attentive, and honest. He's bearing a bit too much but he does it with a self depreciating laugh and a lot of wit. He doesn't attempt to be something he's not, and though he'll do what you say he WILL let you know he doesn't necessarily agree. He does voice his opinions, and he will argue with you over things.
He's infuriating sometimes, and he's sickeningly sweet but there's a quality to him that I know even if I tried (AND I HAVE) I probably couldn't like him less.
Yeah he can be juvenile, and he can be totally petty. But so am I, and he has some incredibly noble moments. It's the way he just goes for things the whole hog, without fear of failing miserably or being squashed.
Also, the voice helps. A lot. Srsly. =P
Comment by Brinstar on June 9, 2010 at 1:09 am
Just to build on what others have already said…
I'm not an Alistair fan (in terms of romantic options, that is), however I understand why he appeals so much to women (and men). He's has a lot of depth as a character. He isn't one dimensional. He genuinely cares for the PC and while he does so with some awkwardness, he actually expresses and communicates (eventually) his feelings to the PC, rather than attempting to hide them. Alistair is emotionally mature in that respect. So many men these days fail on that point, and it's extremely rare to see that in videogames, so Alistair really stands out. He also wants a relationship, rather than a fling. That's also unusual as far as male videogame characters go.
I also think that Alistair is not presumptuous when it comes to a romantic or sexual relationship with a female PC. This respect for a woman's feelings and choices is another rare quality when it comes to male characters in games. Consent is really important for to some women to feel safe and to trust men in a sexual relationship, and the fact that Alistair checks in with the female PC is notable, and adds to his appeal for many women. And related to this is the fact that he's not prepared to engage in a sexual relationship until he's ready. Not only that, but he _communicates_ this to his potential sexual partner. Again, this shows emotional maturity. A lot of men would be eager to hop into the sack with a woman without considering the emotional impact of sex on themselves or the future implications that sex would involve. (I consider Zevran a slightly different case, as his attitudes towards sex are not ill-thought out. It's clear he has thought of emotional impact and implications, but he has made an informed choice to experience as much as he can because life is too short, etc.)
Comment by chilyn on June 9, 2010 at 12:28 am
Very nice!
I missed the accent part… meant to write it in but it just sort of flowed by. Seems I got the rest correct though, yes? And no — guys should not start emulating Alistair. They are better off being themselves — and everybody knows that Alistair in the real world would be considered annoying and remain a virgin — at least until he was surrounded by women with some level of maturity.
Comment by chilyn on June 9, 2010 at 12:31 am
Makes you wonder if BioWare did "product testing" with women regarding Alistair. I am sure they are very much aware that women are taking over the gaming and fantasy markets… seems unlikely they would miss the opportunity to craft the perfect female companion for the game.
Comment by chilyn on June 9, 2010 at 12:35 am
Heh — hear that fellas? No secret sauce forthcoming! :P
And you described the concept of mutual protection/sharing of strength quite well. I understand just what you mean and feel that my relationship with my wife embodies that very well.
Comment by chilyn on June 9, 2010 at 12:38 am
LOL! So what you are -really- saying is…. Women don't like dogs — but they love puppies. :P
Comment by chilyn on June 9, 2010 at 12:46 am
Well said!
And there's another puppy reference! Taking note, fellas?
Comment by chilyn on June 9, 2010 at 12:47 am
Ahah! I believe I used one of your works before, Dahlia — though I missed the credit here, so thanks! :D
I like your take!
Comment by chilyn on June 9, 2010 at 12:54 am
Morrigan does serve a certain purpose in the game, where men are concerned. However, there are those of us out there that will roleplay their characters and end up in a relationship with Leliana, and yes, even choose her over Morrigan. Or maybe choose her -again- over Morrigan, should the roleplay lend itself more toward the animal and idiot nature that overcomes many men in the face of temptation — which Moirrigan exemplifies. You won't hear men shouting it from the proverbial rooftops of the internet though. You will, instead, hear shouts of how hot Morrigan is, and how people have done everything they could north of selling their souls to bed that fictional woman.
Such is the overt nature of man. ;-)
Comment by chilyn on June 9, 2010 at 2:56 am
LOL! Classic. Ignore the man who may be your soulmate. This is what most men who are interested in a woman they feel is out of their "league" is doing… :D
Comment by chilyn on June 9, 2010 at 12:57 am
LMAO! Nice…
Comment by chilyn on June 9, 2010 at 12:58 am
I must've missed the first part of your comment. My character is male and was a bit saddened by that same thing. He would do it again in a second though.
Comment by chilyn on June 9, 2010 at 3:02 am
Thanks for weighing in! So…. he's hot, I take it? :P
He does seem to approach a more realistic prince charming than the classic. Doesn't seem to be like the romance novel hero — more like Joss Whedon's Angel, if with a less tortured and horrific past to brood over…
Comment by chilyn on June 9, 2010 at 1:02 am
Bah — that's past! Now we are all about sharing our feelings until women want to hit us, don't you know… :P
Comment by chilyn on June 9, 2010 at 1:05 am
I have to wonder what circles you have been travelling in Patricia. There are still many, many nice guys out there — that doesn't pay off for them until they are older though. And WYSIWYG is the mantra of most men. We're not really that complicated, honestly. :D
Comment by chilyn on June 9, 2010 at 1:11 am
I wonder if women outside of North America give a hoot about the accent? I hear the Canadian accent is well-liked in Autralia….. hmmm.
As for women and bad boys — they really do. Or maybe it's -girls- and bad boys. Women, when they are ready, look for a man. Unfortunately, this is when they are being openly vulnerable and they often end up getting taken in and literally screwed over by bad boys who seem to be something else. If a nice guy (with a backbone) can manage to catch a woman before she is too jaded, it is a beautiful thing — but it she is really what he wants, and they are "right together" and all that, even a bit of jaded-ness won't stand in the way. That's where backbone comes in.
Comment by Roxanne Groff on June 9, 2010 at 1:14 am
most of the commenters have already touched on the numerous reasons why Alistair is so loveable so i won't bother to repeat them.
however what i will say is that Alistair (first and foremost), the witty banter between the npcs, and the different ways you can shape your relationships is the reason why the Dragon Age disc has been living in my PC for months. most of us on the alistair fanclub page on facebook have wayyy too many playthroughs under our belts. who wouldn't want to romance Alistair over and over again? :)
Comment by chilyn on June 9, 2010 at 1:14 am
Very well thought out and put! I can see that Alistair can embody many of the things that women would wish for in men. And communication is hard to come by in any relationship — from work, to friends, to love.
Comment by chilyn on June 9, 2010 at 1:16 am
*grins* I agree — nothing like a character-driven story, in any circumstance!
Comment by Willowstead on June 9, 2010 at 2:07 am
Don't know, the Dog is one of the most endearing characters in the game….
Oh wait… nevermind…
Comment by Darkrose on June 9, 2010 at 2:35 am
Yeah…in the real world, you wouldn't be stuck with him 24/7 for almost two years, constantly depending on him to have your back. It kind of makes you wonder what would happen post-Awakening, when all of a sudden, you're not together all the time.
Comment by Katiyana Blaze on June 9, 2010 at 4:44 am
Yeah, I totally agree with this assessment. It pretty much puts it in a nice little package ^^
Comment by chilyn on June 9, 2010 at 3:20 am
LOL!
Comment by chilyn on June 9, 2010 at 3:22 am
Which Joss Whedon character? I compared him loosely to Angel a while back…
Comment by chilyn on June 9, 2010 at 5:24 am
*kicks Intense Debate* Missed a few it seems…
The committed male is less of a fantasy than it once was, I think — but apparently it still prevails.
Comment by chilyn on June 9, 2010 at 3:28 am
I hear you — and it is refreshing to know that the entire female population of DAO gamers don't all have the same love for the guy. :D
Comment by chilyn on June 9, 2010 at 3:29 am
LOL! The accent seems to be a HUGE factor for the NA crowd.
Comment by chilyn on June 9, 2010 at 3:34 am
Thanks for all of the comments so far! I've tried to respond to all of them or near all of them — though Intense Debate weirdness makes that difficult. I've truly enjoyed your takes from all sides!
If I had the power I would release an army of trained Alistairs for you all to do with what you will — or maybe just one. Because that would be funny. :D
Comment by chilyn on June 9, 2010 at 3:37 am
This is a very good point.
Fanfiction opportunity?
Comment by Edrissa on June 9, 2010 at 5:52 am
Actually, totally Australian here! I think that accent is adored pretty globally, but it's the delivery that really makes it hit. Valentine definitely has something right.
Personally I've been surrounded by 'nice guys' who have never once shown an open interest in me or done anything sweet or honest. When Alistair gave me the rose and told me I was beautiful and resourceful, I laughed at the utter corniness of it but was still totally smitten; and I'm a pretty jaded lady.
On the flip side, I'm utterly confused as to why so many men in particular have such issues with Alistair, or call him whiny. I really just don't see it; he's kind, friendly and comfortable enough to know it's actually okay to express emotion.
Oh, on the bad boy good boy thing, I think a lot of younger women are attracted to masculinity, and due to what we're told by current society, that means they are aggressive, jerks and bordering on nasty, which is completely not what I associate with masculine. =P
Thanks for replying though! =D
Comment by @MrMojoRisin721 on June 9, 2010 at 4:33 am
My pseudo-joke does not seem to have been well received by the Alistair fangirls.
Comment by Miri1984 on June 9, 2010 at 5:10 am
David Gaider reportedly based him loosely on Xander Harris – and personally I think he did a very, very good job – he has a lot of Xander's goofiness and the same attitude to women (although less of a penchant for demons).
Comment by chilyn on June 9, 2010 at 7:11 am
Xander eh? Didn't see that coming… always thought that guy should get more attention from women.
Long live the geek that comes into his or her own! :D
Comment by Dahlia on June 9, 2010 at 11:40 am
Two things I might like to add regarding what you said:
1. Men are used to being given a lot of attention in the romance/sexual sense in just about any media. From games to advertising, magazines, etc. Also, Morrigan is more of a sub-plot in the game, as well as Lelianna. I don't see any reason men would go Gaga and going nuts at what seems to be just another a nice sweet/wild relationship,
2. Women are given close to zero attention in the media regrading -their- fantasies, which involve a lot more than just sex.
(aside from loving heroes in films and fiction)
I would say, for the first time, we have been given the ability to virtually romance the perfect man (because he is not perfect of course) which is far deeper than adoring a hero from afar.
Why shout it from the internet rooftops? From my personal experience, I was initially embarrassed and surprised at myself for being taken with a fictional game character. I also thought I was alone. Surprised at finding women who felt the same way, each one expressed her surprise at seeing just *how* many women experienced the same phenomenon. Female gamers are not many -most have never met another in real life unlike males-. Once it was apparent that we were not alone, the sharing part became absolutely addictive, and the ability to open up to our own thoughts and talking about it has been more than satisfying. Sort of like E.T meeting a whole bunch of ETs scattered on earth after being stuck on the planet for longer than intended. Imagine the excitement.
Comment by StarseekR on June 9, 2010 at 11:08 am
If there was a sauce, I think the trick lies in making us feel wanted and needed at the same time :) Show us you are there to protect us, but let us be strong and protect you as well.
Comment by fyrebrand on June 9, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Darkrose pretty much nailed it. Alistair is a “big, heavily armed mabari puppy who imprints on the PC–male or female–almost immediately.” Couldn’t have said it better myself. And I do agree that he’s a better king than anyone(including himself) gives him credit for. Yes, the voice helps, but that was just a bonus for me, honestly. What made me fall the most in love with him was his view of romance/love. With my first char, I asked him to my tent before his approval was high enough and he turned me down. But the way he did it was sooo sweet and adorable and everything. He’s going on about how he must be an idiot to turn me down b/c I’m amazing and beautiful, and any other guy would be jumping at the chance to be with me, but he wants this to be SPECIAL. If he didn’t already have me, that woulda done it. The way he wants a relationship, and NOT just a fling(like some other video game romance options) was a HUGE part of the appeal for me.
Also, the way he does what’s RIGHT, no matter how hard it is or how much it hurts him to do it, was really awesome, in my opinion. Oh, and how he’s not (too) bitter about the way Isolde treated him, to the point he’ll yell at you if you kill her, is another plus.
But, honestly, the one thing that made me totally 100% HIS was the “Maker’s Breath, but you’re beautiful.” The first time I got that I was on Cloud Nine the rest of the day. I kid you not. MAJOR kudos to Steve Valentine for voicing that with the PERFECT level of awe and ‘how-did-I-get-so-lucky’. I would probably have fallen for him off that line and the rose convo all by themselves.
Of course, the hilarious banters where various party members are teasing him about liking me are priceless too(ESPECIALLY Wynne =D).
Comment by Dahlia on June 9, 2010 at 1:26 pm
you have? **blush** ;)
I tried to post my -complete- comment but it kept breaking up, so it got all divided up. 'Sorry about the mess'…glad you liked !
Comment by Sara on June 9, 2010 at 1:35 pm
When I met him in Ostagar, I found him whiny and even a little bossy. I wanted his approvation just like I wanted Sten's.. :D
I started to like him in the Circle of Magi, when I was still getting to know his character.
I realized I fell in love when Wynne told me "he seems to relax his defence when he's with you", and about the way he looked at me when he thought nobody saw him. He seemed so vulnerable..
When he gave me the rose and eventually kissed me, I started to fly ;)
That's why I like him:
1) He's cute, hopelessly cute.
2) He's a warrior.. and so he's strong, powerful and even large :D
Nonetheless, he is very goofy, "all hands", funny, awkward, sweet and tender.. but not totally innocent :P
3) We are all that he has, after Ostagar – he lost his family and Duncan, and Eamon raised him in the stable and send him to the Chantry.
4) He had a bitter life.. since we met him. It's a DUTY for every female Grey Warden to do something to make him feel loved "as he is", like no one did before (es. he says he is surprised when you remember what he said, because no one listens to him) :D
It's like he is the one who needs to be protected, while he protects us. It's because of this contrast that I really like him :)
And yes… additionally.. he's GOOD LOOKING too (with or without armour)!! eheheh ;)
Comment by Sara on June 9, 2010 at 1:36 pm
p.s. Thank you Bioware, Alistair is maybe THE reason why I finished DA:O 3 times.. and currently playing the 4th! :)
Comment by ThatGuy2013 on June 9, 2010 at 5:17 pm
Alistair is…ok i guess, I personally do not like him because he is a templar and im a blood mage. I grow tired of him saying how blood mages are bad, im actually i nice person and i dont even want to access the fade and summon spirits. I think those bloody templars need to mine their own damn business when it comes to mages
Comment by Genesis Whitmore on June 9, 2010 at 7:45 pm
When I first played the game, I was a bit surprised at how much Alistair was like my husband. Visually he looks like my husband did when we first met, and their personalities are very similar. He's a smartass at certain times and yet firm in his beliefs and deeply serious when he's needed to be. What really sealed the deal was the rose. My husband was the first man EVER to give me roses.
As for why he's popular, well… Zevran for most of the game is just about a roll in the sack, and Leliana.. Eh, she seemed a little too ditzy for me. I notice a lot of men wonder why we go for the clumsy unsure of himself Alistair, and yet in Mass Effect 2 the thing that seems to win the men over isn't Miranda's 'assets', nor Jack's lack of clothing, but Tali's nervousness and clumsiness and little verbal stumbling. I remember my husband fawning over Tali like a puppy and dumping Miranda on the spot the moment she started stuttering.
Valentine's voice lent a lot to it as well, he put a ton of emotion into the role and it showed, right down to using his hoarseness from talking too much as a little tool to make it sound like he was clearing his throat to hide any nervous squeaks. Alistair's just a sweet little thing, with a sense of humor, a sense of right and wrong, and a dedication to you and your cause that the other romance options completely lack. And yet despite all the stumbling and nervousness he has a spine as well. If you do something he sees as wrong he'll stand up and tell you. If you say you aren't sure how you feel about him he'll take the initiative and kiss you first. It's a nice balance between strength, vulnerability, emotion, and depth.
Comment by maria13 on June 9, 2010 at 9:56 pm
Agree with most of the above, I'd like to add one further thing. He's a virgin and he's not afraid to admit it. I am not a virginity fetishist but how often do you encounter a virginal male character, in literature or film, let alone in a game? It means he's a blank slate sexually and that would tend to make most females around him feel very comfortable.
Comment by Christi Vivar on June 9, 2010 at 10:38 pm
Alistair is my husband. Literately, he is. From the way he gave me rose, to the way he broke up with my (my husband/then boyfriend at the time came back though) they are the same! They both are inappropriately sarcastic, funny, silly, and a bit naive. And I love him, er, them, er….nevermind.
My city elf PC who I was determined to play as a prejudice, human hating bitch had no chance against the love of my life. It brings me joy to know that I will pick my husband all the time, no matter what. It sounds crazy but when you can lean over and ask your husband if you chose a certain conversation response and he can correctly guess how Alistair will react…yeah.
Comment by Dawson on June 10, 2010 at 4:04 am
I am a man and I most certainly consider myself an Alistair Fan-girl.
every female character i have ever made in DAO has been with Alistair except for the one time i went with Zev (to get the achievement) my point is I like Alisatir more than all the other male characters in the game… except for Oghren… he is a man after my own heart, he is.
Comment by Tim on June 10, 2010 at 8:30 am
you sir, are correct. i too am a man and alistair is just too cool of a guy to not love. If i could i would have made a bro-mance with him since i made a male character my first playthrough… but no… And oghren is hilarious as well. I really think how funny and awesome the characters are is what makes the game great. It took me 60 hours to play through it once, and ill probably take another 60 just to try new dialogue lol
Comment by chilyn on June 11, 2010 at 12:20 am
Well, to that I say: Good for you! And long live men secure enough in themselves to say so! RP'ers to the core, you be!
Comment by Shelbystar on June 14, 2010 at 9:13 am
My first time playing through DAO, I was a Female Human Noble and did the grand romance thing with Alistair. My character fell horribly in love with him and it was all good. Then as I started playing the other Origins, Al started getting on my nerves. And a quote about Zevran always rings in my mind that one of his developers said about him if he could be described like food, what would he be and they said, "A deceptively spicy salsa." Zevran certainly has snuck up on my affections in my most recent play through and I totally am digging him now. I shut Alistair down early on and pursued Zev since the moment he joined my party.
Comment by Diana on June 16, 2010 at 9:55 am
Ohhh, I have many reasons why I like Alistair, some noble, some not. I didn't like him right from the start, but I remember going "Oooh hello Ryan Reynolds/Alan Tudyk hybrid, and how do you do?" in my head. And, for context, those are two actors I quite like.
The main thing about him that I like, apart from the voice (Steve Valentine rocked that one, let me tell you), is that he's funny. He made me laugh, even more than Zevran did later (which is odd, considering my mind is permanently in the gutter and Zevran's after my own heart like that), and after knowing a little more about him, and understanding he almost considered Duncan a father, (then my weak spot are rough family situations, too, which the poor thing has) I felt sorry for him and I just really wanted to hug the man. I don't think he's whiny, really, or maybe I just don't hear it over all the "AWWWWWW" I do regarding him.
He's funny, he's amusing, he's – much like a lot of people already mentioned – like a big, cute puppy you just want to hug. He's a sweetheart! And he's a good guy, understanding almost to a fault even when you, the player, are all "BUT THIS NPC DID BAD THINGS TO YOU ALISTAIR, I WANT TO AVENGE YOU" and he's not really into that sort of thing (still killed Loghain, though, which I can get behind). He gets to you, I think. I personally just wanted to give him hugs, cookies and ruffle his hair. My character, on the other hand – responding to a later article I have mentioned I don't see me as her, because I find myself playing HER and not me, ever, like she exists within my mind or I within hers – was pretty smitten with all of this and then she realized he had a hot bod underneath all that armour, which only made things better. It's an epic love story, theirs, let me tell you. So epic I even used her persuasion to get him to sleep with Morrigan because I couldn't stand losing my PC, but I couldn't stand losing him, either. (Expecting a demon bastard child to come into play later in the series had much to do with this, too, obviously).
So, yeah. To me, it's mainly because he makes me laugh, he's a good guy, a sweetheart and there wasn't one instance of dialogue where I didn't go "awwww". Even after meeting Zevran, it was all about Alistair all the way.
Comment by Mousy on June 18, 2010 at 6:11 pm
how could anyone not love Alistair, i mean come on he has this personality and charm that would grab any woman`s attention and melt her heart .
Comment by Ellie Gump on June 18, 2010 at 6:31 pm
Bio Ware needs to add in more interactions though specially for those who need to go back to origins from the awakening cause we want *tent time* so to speak but alistair rocks no if and buts about it def need more interaction with him in the awakening though and sum day i want to go back to highever with him
Comment by Aislinn 'Mana' Toye on July 10, 2010 at 2:59 pm
For me, a lot of it was humour and Steve Valentine's amazing portrayal of the lines.
The character Alistair had me as soon as he pissed off the mage in Ostagar with "And here I thought we were getting on so well, I was even going to name one of my children after you.. the grumpy one!"
He was funny, and I dont think you often find quick-witted characters in these types of games often, they're usually very serious.
Comment by Aislinn 'Mana' Toye on July 10, 2010 at 3:03 pm
So it started, and I noticed they had given him ruggish good looks, I mean that soul patch is kind of a metaphor- Like "Rarr, I'm a man, but I'm also not quite the full beard yet" He was handsome and obviously sporting a fairly well-built body etc.
Comment by Aislinn 'Mana' Toye on July 10, 2010 at 3:04 pm
The main things I found that made him up for me, were that he was innocent, and pure, and this made him feel special, it gave you a connection to him a bit further than like with Zevran- just a kinky roll in the hay, and he's like a puppy! But at the same time, he was protective and could get angry just like anyone else.
Bioware will pay though. Alistair was too perfect.
Comment by Keket on July 20, 2010 at 8:47 pm
yeah I have to agree with that. on top of his 'virginity' he can still be the ass kicking, save your life, kind of guy!
Comment by keket on July 20, 2010 at 8:48 pm
yeah I am working on my seventh for the same reason! lol
Comment by LivingDream on July 30, 2010 at 1:37 pm
Alistair is…well Alistair. Personally, I'm not too overly obsessed with him, but still. Mostly, I think it's his being inferior naturally to the PC (at least, that's the way he makes it seem when you romance him, and acctually, even if you DON'T romance him). Also, in case you hadn't noticed, he is increadably hot. Granted, so is Zevran, but that is beside the point. Alistair is also increadably…awkward (and romantic at heart). Hah! Not to mention he's a Royal Bastard.
Add them all up, and you've got yourself an irresistable hunk of digital man-meat.
Comment by Zero on August 9, 2010 at 5:41 am
Alistair is goofy, sweet and faithful….that being said, I do not drool over him..he's too nice for my liking….Now Riordan…mmmm…theres some fine digital man cakes….and Bann Teagan is such a flirt (if your cunning is high enough….)
I honestly don't understand it beyond the fact that he's the lessr of two idiots, and the others aremnt romanceable…..damn….what if Sten were romanceable…Yowza!
….though alistair does make me miss Alenko…..
Comment by Elune on August 10, 2010 at 10:27 am
Good god, Alistair had me right from the beginning with his humor. Humor is quite rare in games. He is just perfect. Where can you find this guy in daily life?? He is everything all the ladies and some men said before. I think I would give up a lot to meet somebody like him ;-))
But ok he is not real and quite fiction. But we have somebody from we can dream again. With shiny armor en everything!
Comment by Guest on August 19, 2010 at 6:14 am
I think Alistair simply has it all. He's romantic (when he gave me the rose I nearly fainted), funny, kind, handsome(!), and he's not the snob you'd think considering he's really a prince. The fact that he actually is in denial of the whole king to be, made me like him even more!He's just everything you want a guy to be :) I dunno, he's just my favorite char of all times, and I've played lots of lots of games. Wish I can find someone like him irl ;p
Comment by DragonVamp29 on August 25, 2010 at 5:50 pm
Your post made me laugh because it took me a few tries before I could romance Zevran too. Even then I would save and romance Alistair and then reload and just not talk to him. I like both Zevran and Alistair for different reasons, but Alistair just grabs your heart strings and won't let go :)
Comment by Zero again on August 25, 2010 at 6:15 pm
ya know what…screw alistair…he's whiny self centered and a d-bag…..
he can keep his stupid rose and go be king of "I just let the best woman ever go because I don't want to marry an elf" land…..
*sniffle* and I thought he liked my ears….
tch…he wasn't very manly anyway…..such a pansy…..I think I'll go to Seheron with Sten now…kthxbai!
Comment by Ama on December 9, 2010 at 10:42 pm
Besides the obvious puppy and cute comments that are floating around Alistair is clumsy and endearing with his romance. He is sincere in his devotion to the PC and shows his love openly. He is soft and a proper gentleman with thoughts of chivalry unlike the majority of the men today. ((please if any men reading this disagree with my thought, no offense meant. Every guy that I've talked to seems to think that women are just for sex. Unless their old enough to be my father that is. :) )) He treats the Female PC, not like she is the center of the world, but like she holds the place in his heart that is just after what needs to be done. He's not really concerned with having intercourse with the PC until both are ready for the experience.
His humor is another plus…he has got that quirky/smart ass commentary sometimes that just causes me to laugh myself into tears. Most of his remarks are during times when other people would be grumpily walking about or being all serious. Alistair's humor is something that I find wonderfully refreshing.
Granted Alistair isn't the only character that you can romance–Zevran being the other male option. I have nothing against Zevran, he is a little sexual with his conversations but that doesn't make him any less endearing. Alistair however catches my attention with his awkwardness and catches me with his humor.
Comment by Amanda on January 24, 2011 at 1:20 am
ARE U KIDDING? ALISTAIR IS SOOPER HAWT!!!!! HES FUNNY HES CUTE AND HES SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!! I WANT HIM TO BE A REAL PERSON!!!! PLZ TELL ME WHERE U FIND GUYS LIKE HIM????!!!! I NEED TO KNO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by brideofal on February 20, 2011 at 1:29 am
I fell in love with Alistair during the game. I was soooo happy to find out that you could make him love you. He is the computer generated version of the guy every woman wants. manly yet kind, sexy yet humble and boyish. I was so sad when I heard that in dragon age 2, I wont be able to continue my relationship with him as his queen. In fact he may or may not only be making a cameo appearance in the sequel. =[[ I will miss him. Alistair is my loveeee.
Comment by Stephanie on March 24, 2011 at 4:46 am
*sigh* Alistair…* swoon* I think everyone pretty much summed it up. lol! I also love the accent.
I have to say though, he looks much better in the first one than in the second one.
Comment by stargaterejects on May 6, 2011 at 1:09 am
Alistair is wonderful. I'm a sucker for guys who are cute in an innocent/awkward way, so that's probably why I like him so much.
However, my love for Alistair diminished quite a bit when I met Anders in DA2. Yum.
Comment by Emma Phelan on June 8, 2011 at 3:20 am
I agree with what the other girls said. I think a lot of women, especially those that have dated some real jerks in the past tend to go for characters like Alistair because he ticks all the right boxes when it comes to loyalty, romantic gestures, humour etc. Not to mention he has that vulnerable appeal that tugs on women's maternal instinct, teamed up with the hardship his character suffered in the past. Who isn't a sucker for a sob story!
Though I should really stop looking up the voice actors to these types of games, it always ruins the magic for me… although Steve Valentine does have an eccentric appeal to him, he kinda reminded me of a magician or an ageing rock star when he had long hair.
Comment by Emma Phelan on June 8, 2011 at 4:22 am
Really? I preferred Anders character and looks in Dragon Age Origins: Awakening.
Comment by Myzaia on June 17, 2011 at 8:50 pm
I think it was the honesty…. hed say things like "god youre beautiful" and not even realize that he was saying it. You never catch a real guy that off guard.
Comment by Caroline on July 3, 2011 at 6:41 pm
Alistair is any woman's dream! For you men out there, you could learn one thing or two from Alistair's ability to flatter a woman and telling only the truth. He is loyal, funny and helpless and at the same time will "have your back" . I bet this NPC was created by a woman! Only a woman can imagine a man like this into "life" lol
Comment by Vanessa on July 10, 2011 at 7:25 am
Alistair takes his responsibilities maturely and seriously, but also jokes around and has fun when the time is right. He is romantic and not too shy to talk to women, but is also adorably awkward about it when he tries. He also just seems so honest and true when he tells you he loves you. He isn't feeding any fake lines and he isn't just begging for sex. What more could a woman possibly ask for?
Comment by April on July 20, 2011 at 5:14 pm
at first I didn't like him, but as the game went on.. I can't believe I fell in love with a video game character. But here we are. *swoon*
he is charming, shy and sweet but bold all at once, has a sarcastic wit and being handsome doesn't hurt
Comment by April on July 20, 2011 at 5:32 pm
that line got me as well, heck I'm still on Cloud 9
Comment by Emma on October 30, 2011 at 2:08 am
I think that the one thing that he proves is that the creative staff at Bioware are really talented. No matter the amount of play throughs I have had I can not bring myself to to kill my warden or Alistiar because they let me fall in love with them. Alistair is sweet, kind, funny, but out of all of them he grows up as the game goes on. Steve Valentine is amazing as Alistair but I have never cared about an NPC in dragon age as much as him. I have always loved a good love story, and Alistairs and the warden's is so perfectly done. Its a shame games like this are not considered great works of art, because it really was amazing to the point I want to see them continued in three.
Comment by Anna on January 5, 2012 at 5:12 am
At first I tried to resist his many charms but, as the game went on, he simply swept me off my feet! There's a boy next door look to him and he also has that edge when he talks. The accent throws everything together! I just want him to be REAL. Imagine him showing up at your doorstep this very moment… *deep sigh*
Comment by A Girl Named Michael on January 15, 2012 at 12:15 pm
You may find it interesting that Steve Valentine IS a gifted magician lol!
Comment by Lori on January 21, 2012 at 1:49 pm
He got me from the very beginning. He was cute and satic, just funny. I never fall got accents, but they are always a plus, lol…. He plays the role plays the role of a gentleman, not to her some but bcthat’s what he its. He takes the time to court a girl, and he hasn’t been spoiled by another. I am horribly obsessed, I must say…. Plus he isn’t afraid to show how much he loves u. Guys nowadays call their girls old ladies, and are so worried d about being whipped… We really don’t wantthat we want…. Alistair, lol…. We want wooed, effort, honesty, fun, and hugs and compliments a little deeper than ‘ u look hot…’
Comment by blob on January 25, 2012 at 1:33 pm
I don't find Alistair that attractive… he was just best option available in game (considering Zevran was no-no for me). I think the whole *prince* bit really attracted female, as every girls' secret dream is to be a princess. Also, he had everything girls generally like/want. Joke/quick witt – Check. Good looking (buit body and even a modern hair style) – check. Corny, sweet talks with little present (rose) – check. Everything with appropriate level too. Not too mushy like Zevran and not too cold or dull (Casavir from NWN2 comes in mind). Not jerk but also not a very good boy either (having sex before marriage and even dumping Warden should he become King and warden isn't noble). But in the end, I found him uninteresting as I couldn't connect to him on personal level.
Comment by Ashley on January 29, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Alistair is the most romantic and most amazing man i have ever encountered on a video game and he is very attractive as well I love him i just hope the romance between my character and Alistair still went on in dragon age 2 its my very first time playing it
Comment by Kirby on February 21, 2012 at 12:04 pm
And played an aging rock star on Disney Channel <3